Comments for Okanagan Erotic Art Show http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com Seduce Me Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:55:55 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 Comment on Update for Vendors who signed on for the Xtream Fantasy Sex Show by Barbara Harvey http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/2010/04/vendorupdate/comment-page-1/#comment-63 Barbara Harvey Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:55:55 +0000 http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/?p=230#comment-63 Has anyone heard anything in regards to the RCMP investigation or collections? It has been very quiet since May. Hope everyone is enjoying the rays of sunshine we are getting today. Barbara Has anyone heard anything in regards to the RCMP investigation or collections?
It has been very quiet since May.
Hope everyone is enjoying the rays of sunshine we are getting today.
Barbara

]]> Comment on Update for Vendors who signed on for the Xtream Fantasy Sex Show by Beth http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/2010/04/vendorupdate/comment-page-1/#comment-58 Beth Fri, 14 May 2010 00:41:08 +0000 http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/?p=230#comment-58 Even thought things have been quiet on this blog lately, lots of things are going on in regards to Natasha and what she has done to the vendors. Hopefully I can post more in the next few days. Even thought things have been quiet on this blog lately, lots of things are going on in regards to Natasha and what she has done to the vendors. Hopefully I can post more in the next few days.

]]> Comment on Update for Vendors who signed on for the Xtream Fantasy Sex Show by Tara Alex http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/2010/04/vendorupdate/comment-page-1/#comment-56 Tara Alex Thu, 06 May 2010 01:25:56 +0000 http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/?p=230#comment-56 I was to be a vendor at this show. I am compiling a list of other vendors who wish to receive a refund of their money from Natasha. Please contact me at alterations@shaw.ca or call me at 250.718.7890. Action will begin immediately. The fact that Natasha allowed the dates of the show to come and go without making an announcement or contacting the vendors, shows a complete lack of business accumen. This lack of communication is inexcusable and this matter needs to be pursued immediately. If we act together much greater results will be produced than if we try to act alone. Get in touch with me. I was to be a vendor at this show.
I am compiling a list of other vendors who wish to receive a refund of their money from Natasha.
Please contact me at alterations@shaw.ca or call me at 250.718.7890. Action will begin immediately.
The fact that Natasha allowed the dates of the show to come and go without making an announcement or contacting the vendors, shows a complete lack of business accumen. This lack of communication is inexcusable and this matter needs to be pursued immediately. If we act together much greater results will be produced than if we try to act alone.
Get in touch with me.

]]> Comment on Update for Vendors who signed on for the Xtream Fantasy Sex Show by Tara Alex http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/2010/04/vendorupdate/comment-page-1/#comment-55 Tara Alex Thu, 06 May 2010 01:16:14 +0000 http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/?p=230#comment-55 I am compiling a list of people who are interested in having their money refunded for the Xtreme Fantasy Sex Show show which failed to take place. Natasha's actions have been irresponsible at best and the lack of communication is inexcusible. While everyone I'm sure became aware that the show would not happen, Natasha's allowing the date to come and go without contacting the vendors involved, shows a total lack of business accumen. Please contact me at alterations@shaw.ca or call me at 250.718.7890 if you wish to ad your name to the list. Action will begin immediately. working together will produce greater results than if we all try to pursue this individually. I am compiling a list of people who are interested in having their money refunded for the Xtreme Fantasy Sex Show show which failed to take place. Natasha’s actions have been irresponsible at best and the lack of communication is inexcusible. While everyone I’m sure became aware that the show would not happen, Natasha’s allowing the date to come and go without contacting the vendors involved, shows a total lack of business accumen.
Please contact me at alterations@shaw.ca or call me at 250.718.7890 if you wish to ad your name to the list. Action will begin immediately. working together will produce greater results than if we all try to pursue this individually.

]]> Comment on Update for Vendors who signed on for the Xtream Fantasy Sex Show by Greg http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/2010/04/vendorupdate/comment-page-1/#comment-54 Greg Wed, 05 May 2010 00:35:36 +0000 http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/?p=230#comment-54 In response to Kim's advice... yes and no (from experience). It is my hope that the RCMP and Crown find that this falls into the definition of fraud. In that case we are looking at criminal restitution, not a civil claim. Difference is that in a civil case you have to bring a claim (small claims court) and go through the process, and even then we are suing the corporation HOPING to breach the corporate veil and include Natasha personally. And even if you do, blood from a stone applies and bankruptcy escapes all if funds are depleted. However, if a criminal case, then monies back to vendors come as restitution, the crown pays for all the court stuff, and not even bankruptcy escapes Natasha from liability as every cent needs to be repaid. And, or course, Natasha deals with hell as her personal life, home, everything is stripped away from her in order to satisy the case. Or... or course... Natasha could wake up, avoid all this crap, and refund our monies as she should morally, ethically, legally do. Personally, I'm hoping the sleeping pills wear off. Again... as I'm not a lawyer, just my opinion.... In response to Kim’s advice… yes and no (from experience). It is my hope that the RCMP and Crown find that this falls into the definition of fraud. In that case we are looking at criminal restitution, not a civil claim. Difference is that in a civil case you have to bring a claim (small claims court) and go through the process, and even then we are suing the corporation HOPING to breach the corporate veil and include Natasha personally. And even if you do, blood from a stone applies and bankruptcy escapes all if funds are depleted. However, if a criminal case, then monies back to vendors come as restitution, the crown pays for all the court stuff, and not even bankruptcy escapes Natasha from liability as every cent needs to be repaid. And, or course, Natasha deals with hell as her personal life, home, everything is stripped away from her in order to satisy the case.

Or… or course… Natasha could wake up, avoid all this crap, and refund our monies as she should morally, ethically, legally do. Personally, I’m hoping the sleeping pills wear off. Again… as I’m not a lawyer, just my opinion….

]]> Comment on Update for Vendors who signed on for the Xtream Fantasy Sex Show by Kim Williams http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/2010/04/vendorupdate/comment-page-1/#comment-53 Kim Williams Tue, 04 May 2010 20:37:26 +0000 http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/?p=230#comment-53 Hi Everyone. I have just been reading everyones coments. My advice is whatever you do dont get involved with this even if she happens to come up with a venue. N has no experience she knows nothing about puting on a show like this and knothing about the industry. For all of you wanting your money back it will be a while before that happens. I think she took your money and ran. You cant get blood out of a stone but go through the courts to get it and dont stop till every last penny is returned to you. I wish you all the best.Kim Hi Everyone. I have just been reading everyones coments. My advice is whatever you do dont get involved with this even if she happens to come up with a venue. N has no experience she knows nothing about puting on a show like this and knothing about the industry. For all of you wanting your money back it will be a while before that happens. I think she took your money and ran. You cant get blood out of a stone but go through the courts to get it and dont stop till every last penny is returned to you. I wish you all the best.Kim

]]> Comment on Update for Vendors who signed on for the Xtream Fantasy Sex Show by Julia Trops http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/2010/04/vendorupdate/comment-page-1/#comment-52 Julia Trops Tue, 04 May 2010 13:41:45 +0000 http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/?p=230#comment-52 Hi Beth, no worries, the power of the internet can be a very positive thing, glad to help. :-) Greg, very interesting - so between post 5 and 6, it appears to me that N was watching the blog, saw your post, and called you, which is good! If I understood this correctly you received a promise of refund if no "date" available 15 days from April 28, so that means May 12. It would be nice if the refund happened before May 12. Okay, well, guess we'll see. What I found a little humourous is that there are so many people she has told that "I'm going to contact my lawyer" that I wonder if she has spent a ton of legal fees - maybe things should be written down so she doesn't have to call him/her so often...? You are right, I believe she has used that on a lot of people to try to intimidate, a "veiled threat". I do feel sad that it all went down this way - it could have been a terrific show. Hi Beth, no worries, the power of the internet can be a very positive thing, glad to help. :-)

Greg, very interesting – so between post 5 and 6, it appears to me that N was watching the blog, saw your post, and called you, which is good! If I understood this correctly you received a promise of refund if no “date” available 15 days from April 28, so that means May 12. It would be nice if the refund happened before May 12. Okay, well, guess we’ll see.

What I found a little humourous is that there are so many people she has told that “I’m going to contact my lawyer” that I wonder if she has spent a ton of legal fees – maybe things should be written down so she doesn’t have to call him/her so often…? You are right, I believe she has used that on a lot of people to try to intimidate, a “veiled threat”. I do feel sad that it all went down this way – it could have been a terrific show.

]]> Comment on Update for Vendors who signed on for the Xtream Fantasy Sex Show by Beth Weisman-Lovatt http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/2010/04/vendorupdate/comment-page-1/#comment-51 Beth Weisman-Lovatt Mon, 03 May 2010 20:21:37 +0000 http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/?p=230#comment-51 I would also like to add a Thanks to Julia for letting us use her blog as a way to connect with each other over this awful situation. It would be nice to hear from the other vendors with your stories as well. Beth I would also like to add a Thanks to Julia for letting us use her blog as a way to connect with each other over this awful situation.

It would be nice to hear from the other vendors with your stories as well.

Beth

]]> Comment on Update for Vendors who signed on for the Xtream Fantasy Sex Show by Beth Weisman-Lovatt http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/2010/04/vendorupdate/comment-page-1/#comment-50 Beth Weisman-Lovatt Mon, 03 May 2010 19:50:51 +0000 http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/?p=230#comment-50 That was very well written Greg. I am not sure which is worse...you speaking with her while she still lies to your face or how she has treated me and I have heard nothing for about 3 weeks now....no e-mails or phone calls. Imagine if I had shown up at the Kelowna show (and I have heard that after the Regina show there was 30 cm of snow on the mountains), and there was no show to be had. I am hoping in the next few days the Kelowna RCMP will let me post the file number on this site. There are doing some ground work first and have asked me to hold off. She has totally bit off more then she can chew and keeps digging herself in deeper. I am with you on she needs to wake up now because she is in a mess of trouble by more then the RCMP. Beth That was very well written Greg.

I am not sure which is worse…you speaking with her while she still lies to your face or how she has treated me and I have heard nothing for about 3 weeks now….no e-mails or phone calls. Imagine if I had shown up at the Kelowna show (and I have heard that after the Regina show there was 30 cm of snow on the mountains), and there was no show to be had.

I am hoping in the next few days the Kelowna RCMP will let me post the file number on this site. There are doing some ground work first and have asked me to hold off.

She has totally bit off more then she can chew and keeps digging herself in deeper. I am with you on she needs to wake up now because she is in a mess of trouble by more then the RCMP.

Beth

]]> Comment on Update for Vendors who signed on for the Xtream Fantasy Sex Show by Greg http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/2010/04/vendorupdate/comment-page-1/#comment-49 Greg Mon, 03 May 2010 17:17:03 +0000 http://www.okanaganeroticartshow.com/?p=230#comment-49 Last Thursday I sent a lengthy email to Natasha explaining my position. In short, I told her that I believed that what she is doing is criminal (up to the RCMP and Crown to decide of course). There are so many things wrong with the situation that I no longer even know where to start. Misleading vendors, keeping information from vendors, confusing vedors with her 'I have the right to take your money and do whatever I want with it so long as I profess that I will have a venue coming up some day' story. Sorry, I was referring to her right to change venue and date. I explained to Natasha that while every show promoter has that right, it does come with the burden of 'reasonable notice', which was not given to anyone. Go further with the question of whether or not she even had a venue under contract to begin with and the pendulum swings even further to the side of fraud. I demanded my money back. Natasha called me about 15 minutes after my email. I'm not sure if she had read it or not, but she launched right into her cheeky sales pitch: 'Just calling all the vendors to let them know that we are still on track... I'm expecting to have available dates back shortly so that we can set a new date. I have no reason to believe that the show won't happen. And if for any reason we can't get a date, then WE WILL BE REFUNDING ALL MONIES TO VENDORS WITHIN 15 DAYS' (note that last part). I turned the conversation quickly by explaining that there was no show and there hadn't been a show for at least 3 weeks if ever. Yes I understand she has the right to change venue / date but that she needed to give REASONABLE notice which she didn't. I've suffered costs because of her but 'my bad' for trusting to that end. I explained that I am done with the Circus and I expected my money back IMMEDIATELY. She told me that she would be speaking to her lawyer that afternoon. (I expect that statement has frightened a few vendors.) I told her that was great because she REALLY needed some legal advice at this moment. She promised to contact me again that afternoon after meeting with her lawyer. She did not. I have called Natasha no less than 10 times since last thursday and have been ignored. I have emailed and been ignored. She has not returned my funds. At this moment, this is what *I* believe: - I believe that Natasha is in waaaaay over her head and is drowning so fast that she can't see her way out... refund the vendors with the sincerest of apologies - I believe that Natasha thrown integrity out the window - I believe that Natasha is in a panic figuring that if she can just pull a venue together it will be alright and we will all forget that she is running a con. (not going to happen) - I believe that what she has done is very, very bad business - I believe that what she has done constitutes douzens of incidents of fraud and is a criminal act - I believe that if any venue in Kelowna took her on, they would be taking part in her fraud, even if unwittingly. As such, any informed venue of any value to such a show is unlikely to touch the event. The show, in my opinion, is entirely dead without hope for resurrection. - I believe that Natasha should step up quickly with a broadcast email and immediate refunds to all before she finds herself buried in a civil and criminal legal nightmare. Wake up NOW Natasha. ... but that's just what *I* believe. Last Thursday I sent a lengthy email to Natasha explaining my position. In short, I told her that I believed that what she is doing is criminal (up to the RCMP and Crown to decide of course). There are so many things wrong with the situation that I no longer even know where to start. Misleading vendors, keeping information from vendors, confusing vedors with her ‘I have the right to take your money and do whatever I want with it so long as I profess that I will have a venue coming up some day’ story. Sorry, I was referring to her right to change venue and date. I explained to Natasha that while every show promoter has that right, it does come with the burden of ‘reasonable notice’, which was not given to anyone. Go further with the question of whether or not she even had a venue under contract to begin with and the pendulum swings even further to the side of fraud. I demanded my money back.

Natasha called me about 15 minutes after my email. I’m not sure if she had read it or not, but she launched right into her cheeky sales pitch: ‘Just calling all the vendors to let them know that we are still on track… I’m expecting to have available dates back shortly so that we can set a new date. I have no reason to believe that the show won’t happen. And if for any reason we can’t get a date, then WE WILL BE REFUNDING ALL MONIES TO VENDORS WITHIN 15 DAYS’ (note that last part). I turned the conversation quickly by explaining that there was no show and there hadn’t been a show for at least 3 weeks if ever. Yes I understand she has the right to change venue / date but that she needed to give REASONABLE notice which she didn’t. I’ve suffered costs because of her but ‘my bad’ for trusting to that end. I explained that I am done with the Circus and I expected my money back IMMEDIATELY. She told me that she would be speaking to her lawyer that afternoon. (I expect that statement has frightened a few vendors.) I told her that was great because she REALLY needed some legal advice at this moment. She promised to contact me again that afternoon after meeting with her lawyer. She did not.

I have called Natasha no less than 10 times since last thursday and have been ignored. I have emailed and been ignored. She has not returned my funds. At this moment, this is what *I* believe:

- I believe that Natasha is in waaaaay over her head and is drowning so fast that she can’t see her way out… refund the vendors with the sincerest of apologies

- I believe that Natasha thrown integrity out the window

- I believe that Natasha is in a panic figuring that if she can just pull a venue together it will be alright and we will all forget that she is running a con. (not going to happen)

- I believe that what she has done is very, very bad business

- I believe that what she has done constitutes douzens of incidents of fraud and is a criminal act

- I believe that if any venue in Kelowna took her on, they would be taking part in her fraud, even if unwittingly. As such, any informed venue of any value to such a show is unlikely to touch the event. The show, in my opinion, is entirely dead without hope for resurrection.

- I believe that Natasha should step up quickly with a broadcast email and immediate refunds to all before she finds herself buried in a civil and criminal legal nightmare. Wake up NOW Natasha.

… but that’s just what *I* believe.

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